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Is it time this money is paid back!!!
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IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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16/09/11 12:07as a reply to Osman Ali.
Do we have a statistician in our midst that can calculate the optimum number of items for the mean pharmacy should dispense If it is going to be that the more items we dispense, then the more we lose; would there be any value in putting a cap on the number of items we dispense? And if so, what would that number be. Assuming average overheads?. Even with our contractual obligation; to work and lose money is not a fair contract and should be contested.
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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16/09/11 13:31as a reply to Osman Ali.
Walman the optimum is see as many patients as you can. You're NHS contract states that you can't turn customers away, even if you pass a threshold of an optimum number of prescriptions or services provided. Right now my concern would be to get as many patients through your door and keep your head down until this ridiculous contract is sorted out.

Don't get hung up on optimums etc because honestly just because you start to earn less on patients after you've passed a threshold at least you are still earning something and right now ever damn penny counts towards you paying your staff, paying your bills and hopefully walking away with something worth having at the end of it all.
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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16/09/11 13:41as a reply to Osman Ali.
I'd also like to ask that while we have been clawed back for profits we shouldn't have earned on Cat M products will we see the mother of all rebates the following year for under payments we have endured over the past several years??

If the Cost of Goods inquiry showed such a shortfall then the DoH is in my opinion is failing their side of the contract and therefor we should be paid for all the underpayments we have had to endure, especially considering the DoH and PSNC alike promised this contract would not be detrimental to pharmacy contractors. But not to worry DoH if I was negotiating I would spread your payments to us out of the next following year so as to not impact your cash reserves to heavily. But alas then I am reminded we have the PSNC negotiating this for us, so we won't see a penny of that lost profit.
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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16/09/11 14:21as a reply to Osman Ali.
I've heard we dispense at a loss with some GSK products, is this correct? (i think seretide was mentioned)
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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16/09/11 15:38as a reply to Osman Ali.
Yes we do, in fact most direct to pharmacy lines are dispensed at a loss. Seretide is a ZD line so we don't actually lose here but other items with less than the average 10.25% clawback you will have more money being taken from you by the government than you are actually making.

Surprised?? I'm really not, sorry to sound like a broken record but we are relying on the PSNC to negotiate this for us so I ask you again are you surprised we lose money?
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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17/09/11 15:26as a reply to Osman Ali.
PSNC. A useless organisation that has not got a clue about the real impact of their actions on pharmacy. I thought the PSNC was supposed to represent the contractors? Sees Sue Sharpe represents the DOH!
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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18/09/11 10:57as a reply to Osman Ali.
This was the whole reason I gave up on the idea of owning my own pharmacy - 10 years ago ! The commissioned services by and large did not happen so the so called new contract was worthless. We can't turn patients away but no other real world independent business would survive long term with this kind of arrangement.
IPF: Funding deal has ‘cheated’ pharmacists of £200m
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23/09/11 12:58as a reply to Osman Ali.
When I graduated in 1988, you had to be an idiot not to make money from a pharmacy. Now you have to be some sort of genius to break even.

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