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I think that this is a serious blow to contractors and to the quality of services offered to substance misusers. Community pharmacists are coming under increasing pressure with managing CDs, substance misuse services in terms of the documentation, supervision, social, behavioural and regulatory bodies e.g. LIN to be be more proactive in communicating soft inyelligence back to drug teams, dealing with eratic adherence dilemmas out of hours with no support in place. The fees for MDA dispensing should be increased and not cut to keep up with pharmacist commitment to deliver community services that the NHS would find difficult to run effectively and efficiently if run by an in house NHS provider.
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Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 12:51as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Just as I thought, "The new payment structure will not cost the NHS any more money," which means that the NHS will actually save money because pharmacies will LOSE out!

I am still unclear as to how the £4.05 fee per script 'more accurately reflect pharmacists workloads'. Suirely it takes longer to dispense in daily dose containers than to dispense in to one (or two) bottles for a bulk supply, and then there's the time taken to record the individual entries on the script.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though that the 'old' system of paying an additional CD fee per item dispensed was supposed to cover the increased workload of dispensing and recording.
Dispense 14 daily doses on a script, you get paid 14 CD fees and conversly,
Dispense 2 weekly doses, you get paid 2 CD fees
Is this not transparent or accurate?

And finally, DH quote 'It will also enable them to use their professional discretion when packaging methadone, for example providing daily doses, without losing out financially' - WRONG AGAIN
If the script states 'dispense in daily dose containers', pharmacists have no 'professional discretion' and have to follow the prescribers instruction resulting in a financial loss of up to £31.23 per script!!

Please, please, please could PSNC actually start negotiating in favour of the 'contractors'!!!!!!!1
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 13:27as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
as usual its a question of cost cutting dressed up by simplification. Unless pharmacists stop providing services its only going to get worse. in the old days we didnt supply any methadone and may just stop providing the service again.
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 13:45as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Do these changes reflect the workload more accurately? Paying the same fee for 14 or for 2 lots supplied is called accurate payment!!
More transparency... does it mean that the DH does not trust pharmacists when 14 lots are claimed? Pharmacists are professionals no criminals. We have the Gphc punishing pharmacists and technicians when they act dishonestly. The DH doesnt need to punish pharmacists who are doing a good service for the community.
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 13:49as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
I'm astonished that PSNC has agreed to this. It will cost my pharmacy a very significant amount, and we only gave daily doses if they were specifically ordered.

It's actually worse because some of our clients consume part of the dose and take the rest away, so we used to get two fees to reflect two dispensing actions.
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 13:58as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
The "FP10MDA Dispensing Guidance" produced I think in 2006 recognised the work done by pharmacists and set out how to claim the fee entitlement. This was deemed fair reward then and I don't know what has changed! It states that " the basic principle to remember is that contractors will be paid based on what has been prescribed".
Also it states that "dispensing fees will be paid for each separate installment as specified by the prescriber that has been dispensed".
I could perhaps have understood if the subsequent CD fees were reduced but not the dispensing fees. This would have at least given us our 90p plus container fee for subsequent doses whereas the £4.05 on a 14 day weekly script gives us 2 fees plus 34p per day for the other 12 days. This is derisory!
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 13:58as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Why does anyone think supplying in 7 separate bottles for a weekly script was correct. It will not stop those users from taking more than a single daily dose just because they are packed in separate bottles.

Those contractors crying now with the change, blatantly exploited a giant loophole which was never intended to be there.

If the doctor thinks the patient needs daily amounts to take away then the patient should have to have daily amounts supplied daily, not give a weekly script asking for it to be dispensed on one day but in seven separate doses.

This may be a bit cheeky, but how many of the contractors taking advantage of the loophole are owned by GPs? Or is that a whole other can of worms?
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 14:03as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Spot on! Dealing with drug users has developed into much more than "bottling" .
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 14:06as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
This is a disaster - many contractors will not fully realise the impact until they receive their October NHS payment.

PSNC should be ashamed of themselves for agreeing this. It's not simpler, it's no more transparent, it offers pharmacist absolutely no extra professional discretion and it fails to reward the extra work involved.

How can we stop it? Is legal action a possibility?
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 14:40as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Clearly the DoH are taking advantage here. I think all pharmacist owners should collectively 'stike ' refusing to do methadone services for 1 month. Surely crime stats will rocket and the DoH will be forced to think again? ???
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 15:32as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
From the PSNC constitution. Functions of the PSNC...

3.1 to secure for Chemists the best possible contractual terms and remuneration in
respect of National Health Service pharmaceutical services and Directed services
provided by them.

they're doing their job then??
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 16:32as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
This demonstrates, that both the PSNC and DH have lost to what a proffesional fee means? It is a payment to cover your proffesional input into each and every item. It is not based on workload or the actual act of dispensing. It is based on your proffesional responsibilites per item that is dispensed.
Regardless of whether you give out a dose as a weekly or daily supply you are responsible for it professionally, giving your seal of approval, fit and safe for consumption.

This is the same for each and every single item on a normal prescription. So if you accept a fee based on a single contact, then in terms of your normal FP10's you are saying it is okay to receive a single fee regardless of the number of items or number of times you had a proffesional input!

Let's be very clear on this point, it is recognition of proffesional input that we get paid!
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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28/05/12 17:07as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
We can't strike. We are too fragmented as a profession unlike so many other professions. Where is the single union that we are all unanimously a part of. It's hilarious but our Code of Ethics demands that we do not strike, because harm would come to patients. It would be seen as putting personal monetary gain over the health and wellbeing of a patient.

In fact out of all healthcare professions pharmacy would be the last to strike - we are the expected to lay our personal wellbeing on the line for that of the patients, and to do so for free. If we charge for doing this we're accused of being money-grubbers. What a claustrophobic deadlock we're in. It's like being stuck on the ropes with a towering George Foreman laying into you with haymakers, and all you want is reprieve but the referee is refusing to stop the fight. You just have to keep eating those haymakers until you are outcold - or bankrupt.

And on another point, if most of the profession went on strike, there would be a large group of pharmacists who would disagree with it and refuse to go along, as well as opportunists who would use it to secure extra prescriptions/patients. Can we really turn an ill child away or a terminally ill patient who needs morphine? We are too compassionate for our own good, a fact which the paymaster knows well and is abusing daily. A bit of ruthlessness would probably get us some results.
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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30/05/12 12:07as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Does the instruction " supply in daily dose bottles" on a prescription carry any legal weight or can we just supply the full quantity in one bottle as that is all the NHS is prepared to pay for. The NHS does not seem to value our input into patient care. Perhaps it is just as others have said, that we have scrambled over each other to provide more and more for free ever since Boots tried to grab all nursing home business with freebies, that they know enough will do anything for nothing and that the rest will follow.
Department of Health defends changes to methadone payments
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13/06/12 19:39as a reply to Gerry Diamond.
Have to disagree in part... Having daily doses in individual bottles is the difference for some patients between "accidentally" taking more on one day out of a stock bottle or ending up mis- dosing themselves because they can't be bothered to measure accurately... Are we not in the business of helping them to help themselves by keeping the opportunities to give in to temptation to a minimum!?

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