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Pharmacist apprenticeships under consideration in 10-day consultation

The consultation response document asks seven questions
The consultation response document asks seven questions

Pharmacists could qualify through a five-year apprenticeship scheme led by employers, according to proposals set out in a consultation which closes on Sunday (April 14).

The Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical Education – an employer-led public body not affiliated with a government department – launched the 10-day consultation, which runs until Sunday (April 14).

Pharmacists would train as apprentices on placements hosted by pharmacy companies.

The proposal was developed following discussions “with a range of employers”, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, the General Pharmaceutical Council (GPhC) and universities, the institute claimed.

However, the GPhC said its involvement was limited. “We have not contributed to drafting these proposals. We have attended two meetings to explain regulatory requirements in our role as the pharmacy regulator,” it told C+D today.

The consultation is at the first of three stages with the aim of finding out if industry professionals support it.

The consultation response document says it should take “no more than 10 minutes to complete”. It asks seven questions including “do you support the development of the apprenticeship standard set out in the proposal?” and “do you recognise this occupation?”.

“Pharmacists are experts in medicines and therapeutical management and ongoing care, they are not required to diagnose and manage medical care, they will also provide advice to patients on medicines management,” the institute said in the consultation document.

What are apprenticeships?

The institute defines apprentices as “a job with training to industry standards”.

They are “employer-led: employers set the standards, create the demand for apprentices to meet their skill needs, fund the apprenticeship and are responsible for employing and training the apprentice”.

Apprentices need “to achieve competence in a skilled occupation, which is transferable and secures long-term earnings power, greater security and the capability to progress in the workplace”.

Apprentice standards

A “trailblazer group” of employers who are reflective of a sector form the standards of apprenticeships, the Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical Education said in a general definition.

To become a trailblazer group employers need to submit a proposal to the institute.

The standards would be “based upon occupational standards”, it said.

“An occupational standard is a short and concise document that describes what someone who is competent in the occupation does – ‘duties’, and the ‘knowledge, skills and behaviours’ required to carry out the duties competently; along with any qualifications that must be taken and alignment with professional recognition if applicable,” the institute continued.

Assessment of apprentices

Apprentices have to take an “independent assessment” at the end of their training to “confirm that they have achieved occupational competence”.

The trailblazer group would develop the assessment “to test competence against your occupational standard”.

The GPhC said: “Any course would need to meet our standards and would need to be accredited by us, and any trainees would need to pass our registration assessment before coming on to the register.”

It is currently unclear how pharmacy apprenticeships will work with pharmacy degrees.

PDA: Reject these surprise proposals

The Pharmacists’ Defence Association (PDA) urged pharmacists to respond to the “surprise” proposals, as a pharmacist apprenticeship would lead to a “reduction in standards and deprofessionalisation”, it claimed.

“The profession has not been widely engaged or consulted as to whether it wants an apprenticeship to be introduced. On that basis alone it should not proceed,” the PDA stressed.

Some CCA members involved in proposals

The Company Chemists’ Association (CCA) said some of its members are part of the Pharmacy Apprenticeship Trailblazer Group behind the proposals, though the organisation is not directly. It represents Boots, Lloydspharmacy, Well, Rowlands and Superdrug, as well as the pharmacy arms of Morrisons, Tesco and Asda.

The trailblazer group involves other pharmacy employers who are not CCA members, as well as “hospital employers and pharmaceutical employers”, it said.

The group has been developing apprenticeship standards for pharmacy assistants and pharmacy technicians “for some time”.

But “the proposal for a pharmacist degree apprenticeship is only in the very explorative stage”, the CCA stressed.

RPS: Degree apprenticeships successful elsewhere

The RPS said it has not contributed to trailblazer “up to now”.

“We were notified by the trailblazer group that they were exploring this recently,” it said.

“We will work with our members on whether [apprenticeships] are suitable as a route to registration as a pharmacist.

“The RPS will be feeding in our views at the appropriate time to make sure the profession's voice is heard.”

The RPS is looking for views from the profession on apprenticeships via email.

“The degree apprenticeship approach is also being taken by other healthcare professions and has been successful in areas such as engineering in improving the number of people able to access the degree.”

Read the full consultation and respond here.

Read more about the proposals from an apprenticeship expert.

108 Comments
Question: 
What do you make of proposals for a pharmacist apprenticeship scheme?

Mohammed Zeeshan, Locum pharmacist

Lol you so called employers are crying that you don’t get paid enough and you can’t pay the bills,but your are sooooooooo nice you are taking the burden of a degree of the students and paying for them.how amazing.something tells me there are ulterior motives behind this plan. 

David Evans, Superintendent Pharmacist

The only thing that is broken is the apprenticeship levy and university funding, clearly this is a sensible work around

Mohammed Zeeshan, Locum pharmacist

Well in that case make being a doctor and apprenticeship because they cost the tax payer a lot more than they pay in tuition 

David Evans, Superintendent Pharmacist

The way things are currently structured that is a distinct possibility, opticians are doing it already 

Z Z, Pharmacy Asistant/ Medicine Counter Assistant

It's quite common for level 6 and level 7 apprenticeships (they aren't all degrees, most are) for £21,000 and in some cases £27,000 of funding to be claimed back by the employer.

Mohammed Zeeshan, Locum pharmacist

Wow your like an apprenticeship guru.

Z Z, Pharmacy Asistant/ Medicine Counter Assistant

Mohammed Zeeshan, I am not a pharmacist reject, I never applied for pharmacy and I have probably got higher marks in my Chemistry A-level than you did. 

That it doesn't have backing from Pharmacists does not surprise me, as they will want to protect what they have already, but that doesn't really have any bearing on whether it's a good idea or not.

Keith Howell, Primary care pharmacist

What did you get in A-level chemistry? Can you provide evidence?

Mohammed Zeeshan, Locum pharmacist

Your stupidity is just laughable.how have I been misogynistic or racist (shocked).Don’t just splutter words out that you don’t know the meaning to coz u make yourself look like a right wolly.

Mohammed Zeeshan, Locum pharmacist

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Z Z, Pharmacy Asistant/ Medicine Counter Assistant

I agree that it would be very beneficial to incorporate supplementary prescribing/IP into the degree. A few other things besides. I can't really see that happening for a long time, by which time I worry for the future.

Level 4,5,6,7 apprenticeships work very well in a variety of settings. Level 2 and 3 don't really function very well as a whole. 

 

H Saw, Community pharmacist

Independent Prescribing? With apprenticeship? Got to be kidding me!

Chris ., Community pharmacist

If you know so much about pharmacy, you would know that supplementary prescribing qualification ceased to exist a number of years ago???

Mohammed Zeeshan, Locum pharmacist

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Karen Jardine, Student

so people really think that you just read few books and work and you become a pharmacist 

 

Z Z, Pharmacy Asistant/ Medicine Counter Assistant

If that's what you think the top few tiers of apprenticeships are like, you are mistaken. No easy option. Probably harder than you have it as an undergraduate and pre-reg. 

Chris ., Community pharmacist

This guy cracks me up

Keith Howell, Primary care pharmacist

How would you know this exactly?

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