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RPS: Be 'realistic' about chances of Welsh funding cuts

Mair Davies: It's a watch and wait situation

RPS director for Wales Mair Davies warns that funding will not be immune from cuts to "every NHS department"

EXCLUSIVE

Pharmacists in Wales should be "realistic" about the chances of funding cuts, according to the Royal Pharmaceutical Society (RPS) in Wales.

While the organisation has received no confirmation that the country will face a similar 6% reduction to the global sum planned for England, pharmacists should be aware that there are cuts to “every department in the NHS”, RPS director for Wales Mair Davis told C+D last week (January 14).

“It’s a watch and wait situation. But what we need to do is [offer] solutions [if cuts are made],” she said.

Welsh government "monitoring" situation

The Welsh government told C+D it will "consider the implications" that funding cuts in England will have on pharmacists in its country.

The government is "monitoring the situation" in England, where pharmacy funding was slashed by £170 million in December, it said yesterday (January 18).

No sign of policy change

Community Pharmacy Wales (CPW) told C+D that, after meeting with government officials, it has “no reason to believe the Welsh government will change its policy".

The representative body has arranged to discuss the implications of the English cuts with Welsh health minister Mark Drakeford, it added.


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30 Comments

Concerned pharmacist, Community pharmacist

Sami,

Regardless of whether the contactors are fat cats or not, it is the case that the biggest impact of these cuts will be on the branch staff many of whom are on little more than a minimum wage.

Within a month of the announcement paycuts have been announced for branch colleagues in at least one multiple.

The inisistence on maintaining profit levels combined with the cuts will lead to poorer working conditions for all, and poorer patient service levels. New services will not be introduced unless a profit can be made; there will be no altruism within business.

This is why I condemn the cuts. I was hoping that Pharmacy would assume an increasing role supporting the NHS and patient care. These cuts will put a brake on all of that and will lead to a stretched barely coping service within many branches.

 

 

 

Angela Channing, Community pharmacist

At what point of your hourly rate would you just walk away and find a new career if you were able to? If we were earning £23 in 2008/9. and are now earning £20? Should £19/20 be the cut off where it just isn't worth it below that with all the SOPs, rules and laws etc?

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

I started looking at other avenues of income way back In 2007. Fortunately or unfortunately depending at how you look at it 2 days in the dispensary now suffices. And if all ended tomorrow i'd survive. Maybe thrive even. I would suggest that below $20 you'd definitely be better off pursuing another line of work. Remember with all the cuts contractors and multiples will slash your wages etc to maintain whatever margin(profit) they see fit for themselves. Which is why you're hamstrung with no staff and increasing work. At some point you have to decide if well being is more important than boots or A N other contractor. And my well being certainly is, in fact it's before that of any patient. Because if I'm sick or unwell/unable to earn I've yet to come across any patient who will look after my family.

P M, Community pharmacist

you know what i have too agree with you, you have to be selfish or you'll get taken advantage of. no one will help feed your family and if you did have to go on benefits due to sickness or accident etc people would look down on you like a scrounger , forgetting all the work you have done previously. you have to look at other avenues for income , but so few things out there, shares are tanking at the moment and buy to let seems to be on its last legs. buying a business and being in control of your own destiny is about as good as it gets so overpaying for goodwill is just what you'll have to do , just work it off increase the business turnover/profit etc house prices are the same, they too are over inflated but wont guarantee you work .

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

hello angela In 99 I was earning £25 per hr...the rates now are hoovering around £20..so in 15 years locums hvnt had a rise in pay. I luckily opened my own 5 years ago.....I dont understand why locums don't stand up and say no, i wont work for these rates anymore....This is why i am sick of contractors moaning about pay when the majority earn above £100,000 per annum... Its pure greed.......and i wish more locums stood up and demanded more money

Simon MEDLEY, Community pharmacist

have you got evidence of this... maybe people who own multiple shops- but not many single shops would give a contractor earnings of 100k a year. I certaonly don't on 5.2k items, and from my anaylis of doing 7.5k items I still wouldn't- as my overheads would go up !

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

Still nobody able to shed any light on how good will values continue to soar despite all the impending doom and cuts? Or is Sami onto something that no one wants to admit, that there still remains a healthy amount of money swilling around. I'd genuinely like to hear any thoughts on this.

P M, Community pharmacist

supply and demand ... google it.

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

And the demand is so high despite all the cuts and doom and gloom. How do you you explain that? Even with the cuts there is still a healthy sum of money to be made? Maybe Sami is not completely mad then, or is he ?

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

indeed it is P M so stop moaning about the funding...

P M, Community pharmacist

goodwill prices don't pay for running costs,

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

You're the expert so I assume you're correct, however, I'm intrigued as to why despite retail pharmacies being in such a bad state(contractors keep telling us this) why other contractors, newbies and multiples are falling themselves to purchase them. Any thoughts for this simple minded locum ?

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

You're the expert so I assume you're correct, however, I'm intrigued as to why despite retail pharmacies being in such a bad state(contractors keep telling us this) why other contractors, newbies and multiples are falling themselves to purchase them. Any thoughts for this simple minded locum ?

P M, Community pharmacist

too many pharmacists not enough jobs , locum wages on the wane , being your own boss as most contractors are, choosing your own hours, the harder you work the more you can earn, not having to take nonsense from jumped up dispensers and other staff, not having an area manager who knows sweet fa about pharmacy pushing you around and setting you unreachable targets to hit your bonus , which you may not get anyway as it will be at their discretion. the list is longer but you get the idea.

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

Ahh now we're getting somewhere. And this despite contractors crying penury. Somebody somewhere is telling fibs it would seem.

P M, Community pharmacist

contractors like any other business people are trying to protect their margins, and you should expect nothing less. dont be so quick too judge contractors, if cuts come from above then they will have a trickle down effect not just to locums but also too suppliers of goods, contractors will buy less stock less etc, everyone will feel the pinch. its not that they are telling fibs there take home pay will be reduced and they are saying this. closure of pharmacies may happen especially low volume pharmacies, this is not a good thing, it will lead to less jobs and less work for pharmacists and locums like yourself.

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

I have siblings in the medical profession, the same is happening there where nurses are having a bigger say in how things are being run as they provide a cheaper option. The same is happening in pharmacy where ACTs have taken over the dispensing process. Move with the times. Its all about providing a service with the least cost to the tax payer. Thanks to open door immigration to half a billion ppl across Europe, there is an over supply of labour. Indeed these very ppl are opening online pharmacies and i wish them all the best.

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

Paul...in certain places like BHM, there are 15 pharmacies on one street......why should the tax payer fork out for this nonsense.....the only way is to reduce funding and this will in time result in closure of the low dispensing pharmacies saving the tax payer millions

Paul Mayberry, Community pharmacist

Sami, I'm not saying there aren't too many pharmacies in England. The government encouraged it by allowing 100hr pharmacies without realising how enterprising pharmacists are. But just reducing funding is a blunderbuss approach. Local pharmaceutical needs will need to be assessed and closures controlled so that areas that have now have 15 pharmacies will have less, but pharmacies in rural areas will still be sustainable.

Paul Mayberry, Community pharmacist

I think the government should be looking at efficiencies, not necessarily cuts. NHS England says that if Repeat Dispensing was utilised better it could save 2.7m GP Hours. More than 1400 GPs freed up to see people who really need to see them. If it does cost £500,000 to train a doctor, then thats £700m saved in England and £50m saved in Wales. Lets give them solutions BEFORE the cuts!

Robert Rees, Manager

Good point London Locum. C&D why do you allow anonymous posts to influence serious conversations. Genuine debate is stifled by anonymous fools, or non-health care professionals with the name of a German footballer. If you C&D want to be taken seriously as a leading industry journal you need to stop these people abusing your trust. Freedom of speech isn't helped by allowing idiots to shout down and abuse genuine posts.

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

Robert, if that is your real name, why are you so against freedom of speech? what have i said that has made you call me a fool? get over it robo, there is an over supply of pharmacists willing to do the work for less.....its called demand /supply.....Also there are ACTs who have overtaken the dispensing process. Move with the times or be lost in the wilderness....

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

We have been hearing this nonsense from contractors for over 10 years, threatening closure... NOOOOOOOO PHARMACY has closed. P M - there are ppl willing to work for less to run a pharmacy - the time is up. Christies have a long waiting list - but please stop this pathetic nonsense. There are more pharmacies opening ......esp online. If things are sooooooooooooo bad why are the numbers still rising?

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

I'm certainly no expert but no one seems to answer this question when you pose it Sami. Good will values rising all the time(someone on here kindly posted he thought this was due to low interest rates). Otherwise complete silence other than to request your account be closed. Is there no one willing to put forward their view.

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

£22 BILLION needs to be saved in five years. We still make good money. Locums have had no rise in over ten years.

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

£22 BILLION needs to be saved in five years. We still make good money. Locums have had no rise in over ten years.

P M, Community pharmacist

the locum costs may not have risen, but other running costs have...

London Locum, Locum pharmacist

Understandable. Which is why to maintain your profit you've cut corners wherever else you see fit. And boots and others have obviously taken that to great extremes.

Sami Khaderia, Non healthcare professional

well said Ms Davis........ Why do contractors feel they have a right to be protected from cuts?

P M, Community pharmacist

because the NHS monies was meant to be ringfenced.

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